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the planets thought the Masters almost

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surely have a plan this clearly maybe

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something there beyond the realm of man

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all right higher side Cheddar's if your

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dare to look between the seams of

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cubicle life and constant screens you

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will find a Pandora's box of strange and

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paranormal stories that suggest a world

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full of weirdness far more interesting

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than what you see in the sideshow circus

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of tabloid news and political infighting

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a world the shadowy puppet masters would

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rather you just not know about a fact

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made obvious by even the most simple of

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understandings of the societal

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latticework on which we are shaped and

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grown the making illegal of any door

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opening compounds the complete lack of

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education or cultivation of natural

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journeying and meditation techniques

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engineering a culture of ridicule and

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doubt in which people are discouraged

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from even sharing their own experiences

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and a secretive and compartmentalized

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government that stone walls any inquiry

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into such silliness as alien races

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underground worlds or multi-dimensional

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entities

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well lucky for us today's guest is not

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bound by the powers that be or

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disillusioned by the smoke and mirrors

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or shiny distractions meant to steer us

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away from such areas he is the legendary

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Brad Steiger author or co-author of over

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a hundred and seventy books and writer

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of over 2000 articles on the unexplained

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since 1956 his newspaper column the

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strange world of Brad Steiger could be

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found in over 80 newspapers in the 70s

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and he's been talking on the airwaves

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about such weirdness longer than I've

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been alive hot off the heels of four new

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e-books in his real nightmare series the

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Papa Bear of paranormal Brad my man

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welcome to the higher side thanks Greg

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delighted to be here yeah it is a real

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honor for me I've definitely been

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reading your work and hearing you on

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shows like coast to coast going back

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probably to high school about half my

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life so you know to have you here on my

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own show it's a bit surreal it's very

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cool and you've had this great career

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writing about weird stuff but like a lot

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of people in this field that trajectory

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it really comes from a few unexplained

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experiences and your youth correct yes

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that's correct I really had no choice

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growing up in a haunted house the way I

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it had been the old stagecoach stop and

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that kind of speaks frankly you know

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that something might be hanging on and

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the old-timers in the area would tell me

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how the the James boys stayed overnight

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there before they went up to Northfield

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Minnesota for the big Northfield raid

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and all kinds of stories that went on

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and the Night Visitors that we had my

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sister and I became insomniac because of

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being awakened so many times and we

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joked that there must have been a lot of

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passengers that missed the stage because

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they're still walking around and are out

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yeah it is so interesting that you note

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that your farmhouse was built on the

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site of that old stagecoach stop because

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want to find spirits it's common to go

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to a crossroads and it seems like you

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kind of grew up on one absolutely

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absolutely when I was just a wee lad of

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course there was a nice stream running

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by where the horses good water and so

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forth and in places where they could

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feed and before we tiled all that and

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come up in the cornfield which always

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went in a heavy rain I'm talking about

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huh so it was a place that interestingly

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because people asked what happened what

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would happen today is still that way

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well interestingly we tore the house

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Americans we used a lot of the same

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lumber and that seemed to have brought

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the entities there so we still had not

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so much the traffic whether going

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through at night but the thumping and

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the bumping and what we kind of call

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it stays that way and you can talk about

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you know as they do on some of the

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television shows you know doing exorcism

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or having electronic devices but really

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and takes notice is the human brain the

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human us that's where were the best

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ghost detectors and in terms of my life

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then it seemed natural for me to begin

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to write about the subjects and study

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this subject and go deeper and deeper

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until pretty soon people were calling me

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and my crew to investigate haunted

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houses and that's where we encountered

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you know a wide range of phenomena and

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not all ghosts are the same and you know

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let's let's be honest Gregory none of us

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can truly define what a ghost is now it

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that it has something to do with the

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survival question survival after death

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but is it really our parents is it

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really grandpa is it really a friend of

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hearing or is this a a multi-dimensional

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entity that assumes that form in that

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guy's so that we will feel comfortable

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maybe not as frightened and there's kind

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of a messaging that goes on that we

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night might not be aware of at the time

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so it's just one mystery after another

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which is why the the new book which

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we'll probably be talking about next

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Halloween is a book on ghosts to

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followup with mine you know the couple

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goes books that have done that have been

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big fat books and very successful this

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will be more introspective and ask the

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question not only myself but of probably

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every psychic investigator of which

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you're aware there I've also asked them

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to make a contribution and try to answer

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the question of what is a ghost really

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what are they really why are they why do

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we see them and we have been seeing them

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for 50,000 years because we have the

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cave paintings of that indicate that at

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that phrase of our development and even

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spirit self or go so in addition to the

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individual who's doing the painting so

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50,000 years right and I do love those

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cave paintings they are so amazing and

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really hard to get a handle on are they

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lost at humans are they something else

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it really is tough to know but one of

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the phrases that I've heard you say

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before that I like so much is there's no

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speaks to exactly what we're talking

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about it really is hard to kind of come

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up with one answer yet and sherry and I

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coined that we say it often because in

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the day when we would go out and do

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seminars correctly every weekend and be

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we met many people who they wouldn't

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call it Dogma of course they would call

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it true belief and we that began to

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wrangle us a bit and we're not the

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argumentative types but we then begin to

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saying well there really can be no dogma

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appreciate that you heard that and you

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remembered that

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yeah it is a great line and you know one

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of your new ebooks we decided to focus

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this on is alien strangers and foreign

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worlds and I'm curious because a lot of

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researchers do blend the worlds of

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ghosts and aliens or consider that they

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might have more overlap than we used to

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think where do you come down on that

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but we'll go back at the beginning since

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I know we have plenty of time to talk

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tonight it's not one of those were we

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rush and have to do so many before the

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commercial comes and so forth on your

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Rudolph Valentino and I had made the

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acquaintance of a gentleman who had

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directed his fan clubs when he was a

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business on Broadway who knew Rudy and

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and I became fascinated by this

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particular figure and the book really

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caught on and a major publisher had me

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come out and finish it and stay in an

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that time then I met a number of editors

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really hit it off with one fellow from

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award books who said have you ever

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written anything about UFOs and I said

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on UFOs and I was 11 when they 1947

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sightings occur and as an 11 year old

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I said hey wonderful they're here but

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they turned out man it's a little more

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complicated than that and we can get

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into that but at that time then he said

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had just committed Ivan Dean Sanderson

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was a world famous naturalist and writer

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and he had begged me he was editor of a

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house he begged me to do a book on

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poltergeist so I had already signed that

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contract with another house but I met

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going to say of course then I went on

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tour but the book had what a movie has

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to have to be successful what a book has

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to have to be successful it came out

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just at the precise time that J Allen

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Hynek if you remember in Michigan said

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that UFOs were swamp gas well he didn't

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really say that and he didn't mean

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anything like it

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but it was picked up by the press and

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that was making all the headlines when

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my book came out and it became you know

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it the paperback bestseller in two weeks

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which big deal he knows 25 cents the

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book at any rate that put me on the

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scene of a writer of quote-unquote note

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at least in the UFO field so suddenly

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and I've never called myself a ufologist

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but suddenly I was noted as a UFO expert

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and traveling from city to city then and

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talking to contactees who had their

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experiences and it wasn't long after

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that that John keel is your familiar

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that name huh and I were talking and I

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said you know I feel like I'm back in

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the spiritual camps I feel like I'm back

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you know with the mediums because these

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people are talking about meeting aliens

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from another planet of what they're

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talking about and the messages they're

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giving is what you would hear in a

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spiritualist camp yeah which I had

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research and so I began way back then in

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the 60s to say you know do we really

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have entities from outer space or do we

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have the same old entities

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maybe feeling a little jealous of our

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interest in science saying hey we can

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dress up in spacesuits we can say we're

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from outer space we can keep interacting

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with you maybe you know we're smart

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enough to accept the evolution of type

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of archetypes and now of course we have

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ancient astronauts we have all of these

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beliefs saying that the interaction took

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place well here again there is no dogma

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right so but I began to suspect then and

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because the personal experiences I had

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this is one of the most astonishing of

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my life and I I can't remember I ever

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told it on the air before but after the

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book came out I was with I had taught

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high school and Clinton Iowa right on

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the Mississippi and friends of mine

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we're still there a writer friend so the

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family went down we were visiting and so

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forth and my friends were saying

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congratulation on this book on UFOs and

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the tears were saying Oh UFOs and then

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we saw honest-to-god UFOs swooping

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through the sky and they appeared to be

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going out toward the Mississippi now

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when I lived there as a teacher I had

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this one particular place that I would

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like to go I don't hunt but I do enjoy

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target shooting and it would be down by

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the river no one was there I could put

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up cans and shoot so I said they appear

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to be going toward the river

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let's follow so we went down parked in

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this place our survey with and we saw

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UFOs descending to the ground and then

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UFOs taking off again we saw them

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soaring to the sky

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they would face each other and shoot

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little Gabby it looks like electricity

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or lightening bolts at each other now

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they didn't seem to be hurting each

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other maybe they're energizing each

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other so I saw this complete show that

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made anything that would come on Star

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Wars I mean this was Star Wars 40 years

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ahead of time and the whole display my

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friend and I were just goggle eyed and I

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thought you know everything I wrote

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about the book is true they're here and

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we're witnessing this has got to be in

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the papers it's got to be every papers

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the whole town the whole Mississippi

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Valley down there Clinton and Davenport

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Rock Island they all have to have

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witnesses because this is an incredible

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panorama in the sky not a word not a

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word and be cunning hinted at a few

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people we were the only one who saw that

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and it was so profound I have never

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forgotten it I can see it in detail as

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it appeared I can see the maneuvers they

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did now it took me many years in fact it

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took until Sheree and I were in Peru

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and a native guide said I would take you

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to a place high in the mountains where

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the UFOs died in to the lake every night

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but we had to vow we would not say and

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sharing the background just reminded me

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for part of the journey we had to be

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blindfolded we came through this lake

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and honest-to-goodness there were UFOs

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leaving the lake going to maneuvers and

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we watched it all and then sherry just

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decided to try something she mentally

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asked them go to the left go to the

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right and they followed her suggestions

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for commands that's when I realized and

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don't take this in improperly

356
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incorrectly please Greg but that some of

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whatever we want to call it

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manifestation can be for individuals in

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other words this show in on the

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Mississippi the display in Peru wasn't

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just for us

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because surrounding us were Aboriginal

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people barefooted

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it was too cold for us to be barefooted

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but they were carrying their supplies or

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perhaps things are going to take to the

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market the next day they would stop and

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look but their infirmary was saying

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there UFO's go in and out every night so

370
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it was no big deal to them but it was a

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big deal to us and provided us with

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another link

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to what may be going on mm-hmm oh yeah

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that is a great story and I definitely

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agree with you there's a psychological

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component to these things for sure and

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another fascinating thing that people

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should probably know is that your wife

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sherry also an author she worked closely

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with dr. J Allen Hynek one of the people

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who of course was a official scientific

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adviser for the US Air Force's study

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into UFOs yeah I guess she also served

384
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as his publicist for his nonprofit UFO

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research organization and Phoenix up

386
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into the point that he died and that's

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pretty amazing that puts her pretty

388
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close to the inner circle I'm sure she's

389
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got a lot of insight from that proximity

390
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wouldn't you say well yes indeed and she

391
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was the one that made it happen that

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Hynek had that little cameo and in Close

393
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Encounters of the Third Kind Wow as a

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publicist the publisher huh very cool

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and you being 11 years old during

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Roswell and all of the weirdness of 1947

397
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that's just so crazy to me you had to

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think that maybe our understanding or

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public acceptance would be somewhere

400
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different than it is right now I mean

401
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how has that trajectory evolved to you

402
00:20:53,610 --> 00:20:52,210
is it what you might have expected did

403
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you think we'd hit disclosure by this

404
00:21:02,820 --> 00:20:58,240
point in your life well yes I did I like

405
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I said when I'm 11 years old and baby

406
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people are making these reports and my

407
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:09,460
reaction was yeah they're here they're

408
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here they're landing we're going to make

409
00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:15,280
contact yeah but I have to add something

410
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because just within a few weeks of that

411
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I suffered a terrible farm accident

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in which I died hmm and the town doctor

413
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the village doctor my uncle and my

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father decided to make a run to a

415
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in Des Moines that and that there were

416
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no super highways then but they thought

417
00:21:59,140 --> 00:21:55,040
he might be able to I should say I was

418
00:22:03,539 --> 00:21:59,150
dying I wasn't dead then but the word

419
00:22:07,739 --> 00:22:03,549
was of course that I was on the way well

420
00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:07,749
I had a near-death experience then just

421
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:11,350
weeks after the big UFO sighting in

422
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which I was so exciting

423
00:22:22,739 --> 00:22:18,899
exactly so I think pieces came together

424
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while I was out of their body now

425
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,149
interestingly and again sharing this

426
00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:27,440
with you

427
00:22:41,260 --> 00:22:33,230
I didn't see the classic tunnel I didn't

428
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:46,040
geometric designs that somehow spoke to

429
00:22:50,990 --> 00:22:49,850
me I would say you know first

430
00:22:54,110 --> 00:22:51,000
unimportant

431
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,120
I don't want to die and then these

432
00:22:58,910 --> 00:22:57,120
designs appeared which I understood you

433
00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:58,920
know don't worry if you do the world

434
00:23:05,540 --> 00:23:03,120
will go on oh I didn't I realized that I

435
00:23:08,030 --> 00:23:05,550
was not integral to the earth

436
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:08,040
survival but then I would ask questions

437
00:23:15,170 --> 00:23:12,330
that were the meaning of life and is

438
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:15,180
there a purpose to life is there a plan

439
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:15,930
to life

440
00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:20,810
is there a course and every one these

441
00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:25,140
designs would shift and shape I can see

442
00:23:33,670 --> 00:23:29,750
them today as I'm talking to you

443
00:23:36,730 --> 00:23:33,680
and somehow they spoke so I could

444
00:23:37,860 --> 00:23:36,740
understand I had never seen anything

445
00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:37,870
like it

446
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:41,830
until sherry was doing a seminar on

447
00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:47,890
healing and she had chosen to use

448
00:23:58,180 --> 00:23:53,630
various geometric designs she had been

449
00:24:02,970 --> 00:23:58,190
guided to use these particular geometric

450
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:02,980
designs and that's when I saw the

451
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:06,260
designs many of them that I saw during

452
00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:09,650
my near-death experience and people

453
00:24:14,650 --> 00:24:11,990
claimed during her healing session to be

454
00:24:19,570 --> 00:24:14,660
able to hear again some claim to have

455
00:24:23,650 --> 00:24:19,580
been cured so whatever this intelligence

456
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:23,660
is that communicates with geometric

457
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:27,410
symbols and designs is incredibly

458
00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:31,760
powerful and maybe would guide the

459
00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:35,750
entire universe hmm yeah I am right

460
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:37,460
there with you with the geometric shapes

461
00:24:41,890 --> 00:24:39,650
thing and can you give us any more

462
00:24:45,970 --> 00:24:41,900
detail about the mean of life according

463
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:45,980
to these shapes you know the strange

464
00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:47,530
thing

465
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is

466
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I came back

467
00:25:00,920 --> 00:24:57,130
with what I knew was the complete

468
00:25:06,570 --> 00:25:00,930
program for the continued existence of

469
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:06,580
earth but I can't articulate them it was

470
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:10,750
like I knew I know when I came back at

471
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eleven and and it was a Roman Catholic

472
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:16,340
hospital

473
00:25:26,049 --> 00:25:20,720
and the nuns were around my bed and they

474
00:25:28,530 --> 00:25:26,059
said they said you have been some play

475
00:25:34,380 --> 00:25:28,540
Ellen Ellen

476
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:36,450
there was a little girl who was dying

477
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:39,520
their parents were

478
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,260
of course sorrowing grieving and the nun

479
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:46,400
said

480
00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:53,090
ask him because he was there he saw he

481
00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:56,870
saw the other side and I was just led

482
00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:01,040
and I don't remember now but I spoke to

483
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:04,580
this couple this grieving couple telling

484
00:26:09,730 --> 00:26:07,310
them where their daughter would be going

485
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:09,740
and what would be taking place and it is

486
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:12,890
a sad grieving situation now that it was

487
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:14,930
a moment of happiness for their daughter

488
00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:18,320
because she was born with it with a

489
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:21,710
situation that would have tormented her

490
00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:24,290
all of her life it would have been a

491
00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:27,110
lifetime of pain and suffering for her

492
00:26:33,850 --> 00:26:31,400
so I you know it was strange because I'm

493
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:33,860
11 years old and Here I am like a

494
00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:37,090
prophet speaking to this grieving couple

495
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:40,100
now as far as the meaning of life I

496
00:26:46,900 --> 00:26:43,100
think we all know and we can all have

497
00:26:49,660 --> 00:26:46,910
these moments I I would not presume we

498
00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:49,670
are to lecture someone on what's going

499
00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:52,760
to happen and so forth oh I try to do

500
00:26:59,170 --> 00:26:56,060
that in my books sherry and I try to do

501
00:27:01,300 --> 00:26:59,180
it in our books to give indication and

502
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:01,310
we're having you know we're having now

503
00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:03,770
in like our most recent book we're

504
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:06,500
having top scientists I mean scientists

505
00:27:12,100 --> 00:27:09,170
who had been with the Pentagon and now

506
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,110
retired and they're sharing with us and

507
00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:14,720
they're sharing their concepts because

508
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:17,480
they have read if it was my books or one

509
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:19,820
of our books and they recognize the

510
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:22,250
truth of what we're saying and we're

511
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:27,250
getting some just wonderful wonderful

512
00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:31,640
scientific minds to recognize the truth

513
00:27:40,620 --> 00:27:36,200
of other worlds of their consciousness

514
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:40,630
of the reality and other being

515
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:46,880
intelligent beings it's becoming more

516
00:27:52,450 --> 00:27:49,760
exciting every day

517
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:52,460
and now that I will be 82 in just a

518
00:28:01,930 --> 00:27:55,790
couple months often I look upon all

519
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:01,940
these things as it was so fast it seems

520
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:06,080
like I was 11 only yesterday and now

521
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:08,570
that many decades and that many books

522
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:10,670
and that many lectures and that many

523
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:14,270
sharing and I recognize again being the

524
00:28:20,410 --> 00:28:17,450
circle of life that we are all walking

525
00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:20,420
that we are all striving and the gifts

526
00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:22,520
that we are given whether we recognize

527
00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:26,390
them at the time as yes I mean my father

528
00:28:33,550 --> 00:28:31,430
picked up this battered shattered boy in

529
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:33,560
a field

530
00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:38,690
my sister is going to start because see

531
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:41,540
she was driving the tractor and she was

532
00:28:48,790 --> 00:28:46,370
I my fault I she was only seven years

533
00:28:51,410 --> 00:28:48,800
old that I said this you can drive the

534
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:51,420
tractor and I'll do that as well

535
00:28:58,500 --> 00:28:54,610
I fell and was run over by

536
00:29:04,610 --> 00:28:58,510
horrible machinery that just really cut

537
00:29:07,290 --> 00:29:04,620
me to pieces but I survived that and I

538
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:07,300
realized then certainly I had a purpose

539
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:10,840
and with the near-death experience that

540
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:16,510
was underlying for me what I actually

541
00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:19,990
know in some of my biographies that it

542
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:25,030
says I had been a Lutheran until that

543
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:28,090
time but after my dear yet experienced I

544
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:31,120
left the Lutheran Church well come on I

545
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:36,250
was 11 years old I didn't have any idea

546
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:40,150
in fact I had been groomed everyone in

547
00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:42,190
the little village thought I was going

548
00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:44,620
to be a minister from the time I was

549
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:48,120
about eight years old so

550
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:52,680
I was even more resolute that I would

551
00:29:59,240 --> 00:29:55,620
become a minister because I could help

552
00:30:02,600 --> 00:29:59,250
my congregation there really is life

553
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,610
after death there really is something

554
00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:05,880
beyond this veil of Tears which we

555
00:30:11,169 --> 00:30:08,360
presently inhabit

556
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:11,179
but it was when then I began to progress

557
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:16,610
and begin to get research sherry is was

558
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:18,769
on the staff of the Lutheran School of

559
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:24,510
Theology in Chicago oh we certainly have

560
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:29,970
our spiritual faith is it's stronger

561
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:31,730
than ever

562
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:34,910
and we recognize that the teachings of

563
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:42,110
all of our avatars have value and we as

564
00:30:49,420 --> 00:30:45,200
I said kind of along with the rest of

565
00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:49,430
America and I say this not with any

566
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:52,040
judgment just as a matter of fact that

567
00:30:56,410 --> 00:30:53,930
church

568
00:31:01,980 --> 00:30:56,420
attendance is dropping in in all the

569
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:01,990
various shadings of Christianity but

570
00:31:08,110 --> 00:31:04,840
spirituality or the belief in spirit and

571
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:08,120
spiritual strength is growing stronger

572
00:31:13,450 --> 00:31:11,360
and stronger with every generation all

573
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:13,460
right and I think soon we will reach

574
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:16,340
that point where we recognize that we

575
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:20,330
can communicate directly with the

576
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:23,330
benevolent entities that are concerned

577
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:25,690
about us and protective of them

578
00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:28,100
absolutely I think you're spot on there

579
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,020
because people I just think have been

580
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:32,240
disillusioned by the religious

581
00:31:36,010 --> 00:31:34,880
authorities but yet instead of rejecting

582
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:36,020
everything they have these personal

583
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:39,290
experiences like you've had and you just

584
00:31:42,730 --> 00:31:41,060
realize well I can't throw everything

585
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,740
out you know maybe I don't want to

586
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:44,240
listen to these guys at the top of the

587
00:31:47,650 --> 00:31:46,250
pyramid asking for money but that

588
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:47,660
doesn't mean there's nothing going on

589
00:31:52,420 --> 00:31:50,510
after I die and man I'm sure being run

590
00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:52,430
over by a tractor is not fun but it's

591
00:31:57,550 --> 00:31:54,230
hard to put a price on a peek behind the

592
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:57,560
curtain especially in that crazy year of

593
00:32:04,810 --> 00:32:02,530
1947 yes that was a very fateful year

594
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:04,820
looking back at it it just seems like

595
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:06,470
one of the craziest years ever

596
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:09,140
you got Admiral Byrd you got Roswell you

597
00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:10,510
got this personal thing for yourself

598
00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:14,600
it's a real paranormal and strange stuff

599
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:17,750
cornucopia that year pork cornucopia

600
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:21,050
fits it very well and another great

601
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:22,970
example of just how long you've been in

602
00:32:27,490 --> 00:32:25,340
the game is the shaver mystery one of my

603
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:27,500
favorite stories but Richard shaver of

604
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:29,000
course is the guy who claimed to

605
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:31,010
discover the subterranean human-like

606
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,290
creatures called the deer oh they claim

607
00:32:37,420 --> 00:32:35,600
to be a slave race that now inhabits the

608
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:37,430
underground cities of their ancient loom

609
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:40,430
Aryan overlords his just great stuff but

610
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:42,710
the story comes from Richard shaver

611
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:45,860
sending his story to Ray Palmer who is

612
00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:47,900
the editor of amazing tales and you've

613
00:32:52,270 --> 00:32:50,150
actually sat down with Ray Palmer in

614
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:52,280
person before he died in the 70s and

615
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:54,230
talked to him at great length about the

616
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,050
shaver saga it seems right yeah what a

617
00:33:02,350 --> 00:32:59,570
great guy really was I mean what a great

618
00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:02,360
guy and you know the first thing I I

619
00:33:07,740 --> 00:33:06,260
don't know you would know this but he

620
00:33:11,159 --> 00:33:07,750
was a little

621
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:11,169
hmm I mean he couldn't have been 5 feet

622
00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:16,000
tall and so of course he originated fate

623
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:18,520
magazine before curtain very fuller took

624
00:33:24,510 --> 00:33:21,190
over and he was writing the fifth day

625
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:24,520
that science fiction magazines so and he

626
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:28,000
was mr. amazing stories but he was also

627
00:33:34,740 --> 00:33:32,169
mr. UFO at that time and when I came you

628
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:34,750
know again I couldn't help didn't say

629
00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:36,490
anything but there just kind of my eyes

630
00:33:43,409 --> 00:33:39,549
widen and he laughed and said go ahead

631
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,419
and say it I said no I know you've heard

632
00:33:50,010 --> 00:33:46,480
it enough it is yes people say well you

633
00:33:52,049 --> 00:33:50,020
came in a flying saucer yourself but of

634
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:52,059
course he had spent his entire life

635
00:34:01,020 --> 00:33:57,610
working with the mysteries that so many

636
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:01,030
of us have perpetuated he really was he

637
00:34:08,369 --> 00:34:04,630
was a little person he was a giant he

638
00:34:12,930 --> 00:34:08,379
was really a giant and in such a warm

639
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:12,940
and gentle man and loving men at any

640
00:34:19,950 --> 00:34:16,690
rate I had actually gone over to visit

641
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:19,960
him because of the you mentioned it

642
00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:21,970
before you know they the Hollow Earth

643
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:27,190
with the Antarctica connection that we

644
00:34:36,619 --> 00:34:30,960
had this great Explorer who had all the

645
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:36,629
legitimacy of his research going over

646
00:34:44,359 --> 00:34:41,230
Antarctica in seeing this opening so I

647
00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:44,369
wanted to find more about that

648
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:47,740
particular situation but what we got

649
00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:49,570
into then of course was the shaver

650
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:52,929
mystery because I just could not resist

651
00:35:00,930 --> 00:34:56,050
talking about it now ray actually said

652
00:35:04,290 --> 00:35:00,940
that he had gone to savers home and one

653
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:04,300
night then he had heard when he was

654
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:07,210
convinced was the voices the voices

655
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:11,650
coming from the subterranean world that

656
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:13,510
they inhabited

657
00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:17,130
but I think you know I can't help

658
00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:21,580
applying how this is part of our

659
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:25,990
literature part of our mythology the

660
00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:28,990
Hollow Earth because if we look at the

661
00:35:37,950 --> 00:35:33,400
Hindus and we look at the many of the

662
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Eastern religions then some of the we

663
00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:41,530
look at the Romans they did believe in a

664
00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:47,140
world in decays right deep within that

665
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:51,870
were survivors of some Atlantis type

666
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:56,110
disaster now we're not saying it was

667
00:36:02,460 --> 00:35:58,930
Atlantis but it was a world that had

668
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:02,470
been destroyed and then others of course

669
00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:08,160
see it as the home of the gods now if I

670
00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:12,150
should mention that these four books

671
00:36:21,300 --> 00:36:15,550
were put together kind of as a Halloween

672
00:36:25,970 --> 00:36:21,310
surprise for me by my publisher and by

673
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:25,980
some of the staff awesome if I had

674
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:30,280
selected the order myself I would have

675
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:34,770
put the chapter of the Hollow Earth

676
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:39,490
hating haven for ancient beings because

677
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:42,430
I I guess I just like to do things and

678
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:46,060
you know my order of things which you

679
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:48,490
know we all think is the best one sure

680
00:36:56,070 --> 00:36:52,000
but I think we need to know that this is

681
00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:56,080
nothing new for our species to believe

682
00:37:01,650 --> 00:36:59,770
that there are gods now in the Hindu

683
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:01,660
Buddhist traditions we call them the

684
00:37:09,540 --> 00:37:06,370
Nagas and we have the Mahabharata we

685
00:37:13,290 --> 00:37:09,550
have the Ramayana and all of those works

686
00:37:18,750 --> 00:37:13,300
that that talk about these marvelous

687
00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:18,760
creatures both magical and divine that

688
00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:21,580
live there and communicate with it

689
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:23,980
either mentally or from time to time

690
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:27,190
they walk among us so

691
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:30,550
Richard shaver when he began to claim

692
00:37:35,579 --> 00:37:34,569
this particular experience could have

693
00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:35,589
indeed

694
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,380
I'm not saying copy the idea but

695
00:37:43,470 --> 00:37:40,240
certainly he could have been inspired

696
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:43,480
either on one level of consciousness or

697
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:48,810
another by this group knowledge by this

698
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:52,410
this racial memory that we have because

699
00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:55,060
even though you might say well I'm not a

700
00:38:00,960 --> 00:37:57,540
Hindu and I didn't grow up in India I

701
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:00,970
believe you know that we still we have

702
00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:04,720
that interspecies communication whether

703
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:07,540
aware of it or not that's why we might

704
00:38:14,579 --> 00:38:11,920
go to a movie and sit and watch and it

705
00:38:17,550 --> 00:38:14,589
might be about a foreign country and we

706
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,560
say this is really familiar to me I

707
00:38:24,059 --> 00:38:20,079
actually look I lived there well some

708
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:24,069
people say I had a past life there out

709
00:38:31,319 --> 00:38:27,430
is bet but then other people's in a

710
00:38:36,750 --> 00:38:31,329
matter of cash life but maybe you really

711
00:38:40,859 --> 00:38:36,760
are a group mind now we live by a pond

712
00:38:44,130 --> 00:38:40,869
head by a creep and we've got like you

713
00:38:47,490 --> 00:38:44,140
know a thousand bees out there no mister

714
00:38:50,849 --> 00:38:47,500
flying sound and sharing eyes that

715
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:50,859
they're just astonished at seeing the

716
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:54,880
group mind of these various blocks it is

717
00:39:03,180 --> 00:38:59,800
just amazing how they'll be quiet

718
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:03,190
they'll be not moving and all of a

719
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:06,250
sudden fifty of them might just suddenly

720
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:10,750
take off just all as one as one mind as

721
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:15,280
one bird as one pair of wing and we

722
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:19,510
can't really say because you know we

723
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:23,380
have so many of the same genes within us

724
00:39:28,589 --> 00:39:25,930
of all the various creatures on this

725
00:39:32,819 --> 00:39:28,599
earth some of them more and some of them

726
00:39:36,059 --> 00:39:32,829
less right and we don't go we can't stay

727
00:39:38,339 --> 00:39:36,069
there again there is no dogma we can't

728
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,349
say how much of this is this group mine

729
00:39:43,210 --> 00:39:40,640
maybe when we dream it

730
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:43,220
I'm sure we've all dreamt of being in a

731
00:39:47,740 --> 00:39:45,410
foreign country or speaking a foreign

732
00:39:50,289 --> 00:39:47,750
language and some people wake up and

733
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:50,299
there's a residue of that they're still

734
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:52,940
speaking so the foreign tongue we

735
00:39:57,849 --> 00:39:55,400
probably recognize that in our children

736
00:40:01,089 --> 00:39:57,859
when they wake up sometimes and as if

737
00:40:03,789 --> 00:40:01,099
they are speaking a foreign tongue until

738
00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:03,799
they're fully awake well you know we

739
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,660
laugh and to say well that was a little

740
00:40:10,569 --> 00:40:08,480
babble but was it really hurt no you

741
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:10,579
could have been reliving with no Dogma

742
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:12,950
he could have been reliving the past

743
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:17,510
life or he could be tuning into someone

744
00:40:28,089 --> 00:40:23,200
of his own age his own life and dislike

745
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:28,099
his own passions and and horrors even

746
00:40:33,819 --> 00:40:30,650
when he's five and six years old and it

747
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:33,829
might be more acute and clear to him

748
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:36,079
then then it will be winning his older

749
00:40:43,329 --> 00:40:39,890
maybe will fade them so again the group

750
00:40:46,539 --> 00:40:43,339
mind with Richard shaver when he said I

751
00:40:49,420 --> 00:40:46,549
was taken below by loser detrimental

752
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:49,430
robots and and we have the terror on the

753
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:51,170
Darrow and you know there's a connection

754
00:40:59,319 --> 00:40:55,250
with Atlantis and the wicked a band the

755
00:41:01,839 --> 00:40:59,329
Darrow who are doing terrible things to

756
00:41:04,769 --> 00:41:01,849
us and we don't always know it this

757
00:41:09,249 --> 00:41:04,779
could have been just a combination of

758
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:09,259
past life memories but given a new life

759
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:13,609
through his his our greatest fool as

760
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:17,119
humans I know you will agree it is our

761
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,170
imagination mm-hmm and we must learn to

762
00:41:26,349 --> 00:41:23,839
control that when we're children because

763
00:41:28,779 --> 00:41:26,359
we can't say when our mother says why

764
00:41:31,539 --> 00:41:28,789
are you late we can't say well an

765
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:31,549
elephant nearly ran over me no we can't

766
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:35,200
go that far but we do learn that our

767
00:41:42,099 --> 00:41:38,450
imagination can be used to create music

768
00:41:45,730 --> 00:41:42,109
and art and poetry and and even books

769
00:41:48,009 --> 00:41:45,740
about UFOs right I'm with you on so much

770
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:48,019
of this and I think we really should pay

771
00:41:52,569 --> 00:41:50,690
a lot more attention to the clues we get

772
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,579
from people at the beginning of their

773
00:41:56,499 --> 00:41:54,319
life with some of these kids

774
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:56,509
to have right memories of past lives or

775
00:42:00,699 --> 00:41:58,249
whatever you want to call them they have

776
00:42:02,380 --> 00:42:00,709
some strange clues to something and then

777
00:42:03,999 --> 00:42:02,390
the people at the end of their life we

778
00:42:06,549 --> 00:42:04,009
also don't spend a whole lot of time

779
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:06,559
talking to them because in some cases

780
00:42:12,579 --> 00:42:09,380
people do get insights or some kind of

781
00:42:14,529 --> 00:42:12,589
like knowledge downloads right in those

782
00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:14,539
weeks before they pass where they feel a

783
00:42:19,479 --> 00:42:17,119
lot more comfortable with it and there's

784
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:19,489
probably a lot there to get insight from

785
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:22,150
but you know you also you mentioned

786
00:42:27,759 --> 00:42:26,209
Admiral Byrd in the Antarctica hole that

787
00:42:30,459 --> 00:42:27,769
might be that's the in earth that's

788
00:42:32,499 --> 00:42:30,469
another element of your long life I mean

789
00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:32,509
with all the technological advancements

790
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:36,140
from the 1940s to 2017 we still don't

791
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:38,569
know a whole lot about that huge land

792
00:42:42,249 --> 00:42:40,729
mass and if we do it's all under the

793
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:42,259
radar they don't really talk about us

794
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,910
going there but it's a huge place I feel

795
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:50,400
you intuitively Gregg that

796
00:42:58,819 --> 00:42:53,640
Antarctica is going to provide a lot of

797
00:43:05,150 --> 00:42:58,829
answers to a lot of classic mysteries

798
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,160
and I read a French novel years and

799
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:08,720
years ago that dealt with Antarctica as

800
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:13,440
like an Atlantis type world that then

801
00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:16,230
was blighted when the earth made a sharp

802
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:19,109
move to the left to right the wrong time

803
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:21,390
or whatever and it was covered with ice

804
00:43:29,299 --> 00:43:25,130
during the Ice Age could be no I think

805
00:43:32,779 --> 00:43:29,309
that the most recent Ice Age covered up

806
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:32,789
a lot of mysteries that so many of us

807
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:36,510
just intuitively feel will be revealed

808
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:40,980
when we explore and are able to explore

809
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:44,730
Antarctica in some areas of the Arctic

810
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:48,270
now with the climate change coming in

811
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:50,609
this melting of the ice

812
00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,020
I think oh I I don't want people to be

813
00:43:59,859 --> 00:43:58,200
flooded especially you know those people

814
00:44:02,779 --> 00:43:59,869
I don't want to learn the lesson that

815
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:02,789
you shouldn't be building you know right

816
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:05,490
on the Atlantic coast of the Pacific

817
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:08,700
coast now so I don't want anyone

818
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:11,849
suffering I truly don't I know you don't

819
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:15,630
and and who does right but there's part

820
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:18,150
of me that says you know come on ice

821
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:18,839
melt

822
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:21,839
come on ice no because I think we're

823
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:25,020
going to have a revelation there that

824
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,480
for many people will be just almost

825
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,400
catatonic I mean they're just going to

826
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:35,339
be knocked on their heels saying oh my

827
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:38,730
god no this is real this is what it's

828
00:44:47,769 --> 00:44:41,970
been all along this is perhaps my home

829
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:47,779
this is perhaps were and you know every

830
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:50,910
leakage things we're coming up with a

831
00:44:58,809 --> 00:44:55,200
new food that millions of years old and

832
00:45:03,800 --> 00:44:58,819
is definitely if not Homo sapiens

833
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,810
definitely hominid it's not gorilla it

834
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:06,240
no animal that we know it is definitely

835
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:10,620
a quote-unquote human tooth we're

836
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:13,770
finding footprints the footprints in

837
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:16,410
Greece that were just found a couple

838
00:45:23,870 --> 00:45:19,710
weeks ago that indicates and this will

839
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:23,880
start arguments all over again where did

840
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:28,380
our species move from hominin to homo

841
00:45:37,700 --> 00:45:32,460
sapiens was it Africa as we believed now

842
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:37,710
for many years decades or visit Eastern

843
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:41,490
Europe we're finding more and more with

844
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:47,040
the Denisovans again that they seem to

845
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:52,170
have been the mystery species that was

846
00:45:59,570 --> 00:45:55,740
interbreeding with both Homo sapiens in

847
00:46:02,780 --> 00:45:59,580
the and ur talk now years ago there is a

848
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:02,790
great debate no no no Neanderthal

849
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,660
hopeless aliens they never interacted I

850
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:09,060
mean ever completely because they and

851
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:11,310
earth all after all was nothing more

852
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:13,530
than an a well we learned now that that

853
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:16,290
isn't true that they had a religion that

854
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:19,350
they had beliefs and they and now

855
00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:22,500
another world or at least you know not

856
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:25,700
another world that it leads to belief in

857
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,940
survival of something within them we see

858
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:32,310
by the graves and so forth they didn't

859
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:35,670
just let the body rot they had rituals

860
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:38,430
they had ceremonies so those primitive

861
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:41,190
beings are now we have to recognize them

862
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:44,130
as being truly in the line of homo

863
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:47,220
sapiens and they did interbreed well now

864
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,000
the Denisovans that we found in Siberia

865
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:52,980
it appears that they've been

866
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:56,640
interbreeding with both Neanderthal and

867
00:47:03,380 --> 00:47:00,420
Homo sapiens and all the other hominins

868
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:03,390
in between who knows who knows but this

869
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:08,010
is happening we cannot say as they did

870
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:13,200
when I was in college that men evolved

871
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:16,890
at a certain time and Neanderthal was

872
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:17,730
well Accord

873
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:21,119
I had going to a Christian college as I

874
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:23,970
did we were taught in Bible class that

875
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:27,330
even the bodies that had been found to

876
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:29,970
the skeleton and had been found the

877
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:32,970
earth was only of course five or 6,000

878
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:35,880
years old and these were just people who

879
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:38,730
had severe back problems they were

880
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:41,550
crippled by back problem they were not a

881
00:47:48,650 --> 00:47:45,359
species they were not humans well now of

882
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:48,660
course that is maybe still cherished and

883
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:51,090
retained by by a portion of our

884
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:53,940
population but nowhere near the people

885
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,130
who are willing to accept that we have

886
00:48:03,680 --> 00:47:59,760
been here much longer than we think in

887
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:03,690
my book worlds before our own which you

888
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:06,420
know came out before any of the other

889
00:48:12,740 --> 00:48:10,290
books on and that particular subject has

890
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:12,750
always been a favorite of mine because

891
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:16,950
again writing just not wild theories but

892
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:21,180
just listing the erratic the objects

893
00:48:26,349 --> 00:48:23,550
that have been found where they just

894
00:48:29,090 --> 00:48:26,359
don't belong where according to

895
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:29,100
conventional history conventional

896
00:48:35,740 --> 00:48:32,670
archeology couldn't have existed at that

897
00:48:39,590 --> 00:48:35,750
time and we're finding more and more

898
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:39,600
bits and pieces of bodies that indicate

899
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:44,850
we've been here a long time mm-hmm yes

900
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:46,980
it definitely seems like the past is

901
00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:49,530
more like a soup of humanoids even

902
00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:52,320
things as small as pygmies up to giants

903
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:54,750
it just seems like there's been quite a

904
00:48:59,720 --> 00:48:57,630
few life-forms than they seem probably I

905
00:49:04,220 --> 00:48:59,730
would assume as intelligent as humans

906
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:04,230
just different mm-hmm and again the the

907
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:07,290
interbreeding we kind of chuckle you

908
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:10,640
know well I'm your blood so and so

909
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:13,680
there's no human walking to this earth

910
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,609
who can say is anything other than human

911
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:20,640
I mean the pure blood and so forth

912
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:25,500
we see that the eastern invasion though

913
00:49:31,970 --> 00:49:29,000
it wasn't an invasion but with the

914
00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:31,980
Denisovans and other

915
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:35,250
hominins were discovering began moving

916
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:39,390
toward Europe hitting them Scandinavia

917
00:49:45,740 --> 00:49:43,050
and then moving down so that's when the

918
00:49:48,819 --> 00:49:45,750
the interchanging in the inner breeding

919
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:48,829
but just was really accelerated and

920
00:49:54,770 --> 00:49:51,720
we're going to find more and more you

921
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:54,780
know that who are we at the species who

922
00:50:02,089 --> 00:49:58,200
are we reeling that is fascinated me all

923
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:02,099
my life and again it is that area of the

924
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:06,630
mind the body and our spirit then has

925
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:11,099
obsessed me and sherry what we think you

926
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:14,930
know so often that so when it comes to

927
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:21,119
missus we go back to our early childhood

928
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,290
and see that we've always believed these

929
00:50:31,460 --> 00:50:28,380
things in spite of what everyone else

930
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:31,470
around us might be saying and you learn

931
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:34,650
of course to sometimes keep your mouth

932
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:38,550
closed but basically you learn hopefully

933
00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:42,710
as writers you learn methods to put your

934
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,740
theoretical ideas down on paper in a

935
00:50:51,470 --> 00:50:48,660
manner that people can at least read

936
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:51,480
them and consider them they don't have

937
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:53,910
to accept them but at least consider

938
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,000
them mm-hmm

939
00:51:02,060 --> 00:50:59,460
yeah and in terms of interbreeding one

940
00:51:03,820 --> 00:51:02,070
of my favorite comparisons to get in the

941
00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:03,830
weird end of the pool is grays and

942
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:06,060
fairies you know cuz a lot of the old

943
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:08,490
series they kind of mesh except for the

944
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:10,710
cultural overlay of sci-fi versus

945
00:51:15,020 --> 00:51:13,410
fantasy right they're functionally the

946
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:15,030
same story they check a lot of the same

947
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:17,910
boxes and it's just very weird and the

948
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:20,010
inner breeding angle is interesting

949
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:22,230
because maybe beans used to be very

950
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:24,420
diverse Hindu and Buddhist traditions

951
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:26,220
talk about the Nagas as an ancient

952
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,890
semi-divine reptilian race that many

953
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:30,720
elite families over there claim to have

954
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,210
in their ancestry and it's not just in

955
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:35,640
the east of course the lore of Alexander

956
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:37,230
the Great said he was the product of his

957
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:40,080
mother Olympius mating with a serpent

958
00:51:45,620 --> 00:51:43,200
God right the rumors still swirl about

959
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:45,630
the royal family and reptilian origins

960
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,570
so maybe there is some real story there

961
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,160
well there is certainly something there

962
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:53,400
that we should respect at any rate you

963
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:56,040
know and we should never when we hear

964
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,440
these things they oh that's there's a

965
00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:01,200
bunker I just can't handle that take a

966
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:04,589
moment and you can handle it if you take

967
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:06,930
a moment to look at things objectively

968
00:52:13,579 --> 00:52:10,530
you can see how you can fit them into

969
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:13,589
your own worldview mmm if you have the

970
00:52:19,820 --> 00:52:17,550
courage to recognize that you ain't

971
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,830
always right amen

972
00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:21,960
and of course you've been someone who

973
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,060
compiles these strange stories and has

974
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,880
been getting reports for decades have

975
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,520
you gotten any reports in modern times

976
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:32,400
or heard recent stories that involved

977
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:34,530
openings to the Inner Earth or beans

978
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:39,230
that live underground oh yeah I've

979
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:43,940
received some very convincing stories

980
00:52:52,210 --> 00:52:48,240
but but that's really a tough one great

981
00:52:56,660 --> 00:52:52,220
because I'll get a story from maybe

982
00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:56,670
three or four people as a group going

983
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,310
through a cave exploring it then they

984
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:02,400
claim to hear weird music and they claim

985
00:53:10,730 --> 00:53:07,380
to hear machines now I read these

986
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:10,740
stories with great interest sometimes

987
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,640
I'll even quote them as a possibility in

988
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:17,520
one of the books which I have done but

989
00:53:25,070 --> 00:53:22,040
again I do present it as a lot of people

990
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:25,080
make up things for the attention we

991
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:28,710
can't deny that and some of the I just

992
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:32,070
was sent the story you may have seen it

993
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:34,830
to some ranchers who are selling their

994
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:38,700
ranch because they claim that aliens are

995
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:42,240
coming in and molesting the wife and

996
00:53:50,330 --> 00:53:47,430
beating up the husband then now that

997
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:50,340
this is where you know I this type of

998
00:53:59,900 --> 00:53:55,680
thing way back in 1966 when I decided to

999
00:54:04,040 --> 00:53:59,910
you know expand the nuts and bolts at

1000
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:04,050
least in my writing and my thoughts to

1001
00:54:08,990 --> 00:54:06,270
include you know that this could be

1002
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:09,000
simply not simple this could be an

1003
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:13,290
extension of the type of supernatural

1004
00:54:21,609 --> 00:54:15,570
beings and entities that we believed in

1005
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:21,619
for thousands of years but the idea of

1006
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:26,990
these individuals actually having a

1007
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:31,980
society still maintaining it as we per

1008
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:34,970
said known and you brought up the nagas

1009
00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:38,700
this has been for centuries that these

1010
00:54:46,070 --> 00:54:42,150
entities are there to bring it up to

1011
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:46,080
shavers time where they have machinery

1012
00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:49,650
that they can ease drop on us so they

1013
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:52,619
can affect this mentally they can reject

1014
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,640
these various devices to mess up our

1015
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:00,000
lives that's again courting fear and

1016
00:55:05,570 --> 00:55:03,090
then the fear aspect has just been too

1017
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:05,580
much of this though so the couple then

1018
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:09,750
who I mean I've read their story they're

1019
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:12,770
trying to sell the farm now or the ranch

1020
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:16,619
if they think this will bring UFO buffs

1021
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,750
to bid on it or what maybe maybe that's

1022
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,300
their plan but their story I think it's

1023
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:23,940
just so wild and so

1024
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:26,790
and again why would we have entities

1025
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:29,880
from another world come down and beat up

1026
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:33,030
ranchers I mean they've got to be on the

1027
00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:35,250
White House lawn they've got to be

1028
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:38,220
making appeal to our our world leaders

1029
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,430
not beating up on ranchers so I mean

1030
00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:44,160
this is all these things you know fit

1031
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:47,340
planned it could go back centuries and

1032
00:55:52,610 --> 00:55:49,320
you're aware of that I mean there have

1033
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,620
always been the outliers who feel that

1034
00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:54,900
they're being attacked that they have to

1035
00:56:00,110 --> 00:55:57,270
spear entities that come and we have

1036
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:00,120
vampires we have werewolves we have all

1037
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,600
those creatures at our disposal and we

1038
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:06,000
use them whenever we feel there's no

1039
00:56:10,070 --> 00:56:09,090
other explanation it has to be the devil

1040
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:10,080
who made us do it

1041
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:13,590
mm-hmm well said and as we're kind of

1042
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:15,420
getting close to the end of the line

1043
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,610
here since it is the Halloween season I

1044
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:19,980
wouldn't ask you if you could maybe hit

1045
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:22,680
us with a story that you find most

1046
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:25,320
creepy maybe something that's gonna keep

1047
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:31,800
people out tonight oh well I'll tell a

1048
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,069
personal story sir

1049
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,880
I had because as I said with my haunting

1050
00:56:43,819 --> 00:56:40,920
experience as a child there's a young

1051
00:56:46,189 --> 00:56:43,829
person was that they might scare the

1052
00:56:48,469 --> 00:56:46,199
heck out of heeeeere ghosts and but you

1053
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:48,479
know they don't really hurt you or they

1054
00:56:53,749 --> 00:56:50,430
can't really hurt you or they don't I

1055
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:53,759
had developed this theory of residual

1056
00:56:59,719 --> 00:56:56,130
hauntings that somehow hauntings

1057
00:57:02,689 --> 00:56:59,729
basically were impressed on the

1058
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:02,699
atmosphere you know perhaps some person

1059
00:57:08,989 --> 00:57:06,420
is dying a painful death in within his

1060
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:08,999
bedroom in that bedroom then retains

1061
00:57:14,479 --> 00:57:11,910
some of those vibrations or retains

1062
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:14,489
somehow in the way that field is

1063
00:57:20,660 --> 00:57:18,209
impressed by radiation that somehow

1064
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:20,670
there's a radiation residual radiation

1065
00:57:26,660 --> 00:57:24,569
and that had really explained a large

1066
00:57:29,779 --> 00:57:26,670
number of the hauntings that we

1067
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:29,789
investigated as a team and there's this

1068
00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:33,209
one home that we were invited to that

1069
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:35,880
really had kind of a reputation blood

1070
00:57:40,939 --> 00:57:37,559
would flow from the walls in the

1071
00:57:44,029 --> 00:57:40,949
basement and hideous creatures I don't

1072
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:44,039
mean creatures but human human creatures

1073
00:57:53,989 --> 00:57:48,089
were seen and on this particular

1074
00:57:55,660 --> 00:57:53,999
instance I was in being in the closet in

1075
00:57:58,969 --> 00:57:55,670
the basement where these hideous

1076
00:58:03,589 --> 00:57:58,979
apparitions would occur and I was with

1077
00:58:06,529 --> 00:58:03,599
the wonderfully brilliant psychic Irene

1078
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:06,539
Hughes who you may have heard of she has

1079
00:58:10,999 --> 00:58:09,150
passed now she's no longer with us but

1080
00:58:13,959 --> 00:58:11,009
she was picking up impressions then I

1081
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:13,969
was there recording them and then my

1082
00:58:19,939 --> 00:58:17,190
associate my friend always went with me

1083
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:19,949
was the former Green Berets are so

1084
00:58:24,709 --> 00:58:22,890
comfortable having in there and he said

1085
00:58:27,529 --> 00:58:24,719
you know this door keeps trying to close

1086
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:27,539
it well I had to scrape itself over the

1087
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,849
rough cement in the basement but it kept

1088
00:58:35,539 --> 00:58:31,920
trying to close and trying to close us

1089
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:35,549
so when Irene finished him had enough

1090
00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:38,400
impression she felt from that closet we

1091
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:42,660
went upstairs and I said all right the

1092
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:44,940
blankety-blank thing wants the door

1093
00:58:48,700 --> 00:58:47,940
locked her clothes close the door and

1094
00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:48,710
lock

1095
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:52,790
which my friend did we went upstairs we

1096
00:59:00,040 --> 00:58:55,490
hadn't been there long and we heard the

1097
00:59:03,309 --> 00:59:00,050
door completely smash just ripped off

1098
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:03,319
the hinges and then we heard like boom

1099
00:59:09,010 --> 00:59:05,210
boom coming up the stairs

1100
00:59:11,950 --> 00:59:09,020
like King Kong is coming up and then we

1101
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:11,960
were all all six of us were listed into

1102
00:59:20,770 --> 00:59:15,920
the air and then dropped now I realize

1103
00:59:26,170 --> 00:59:20,780
then you can't make dogma about ghosts

1104
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:26,180
either that this particular entity at

1105
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:30,050
intelligence could be offended could be

1106
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:35,599
angered and could seek revenge so for

1107
00:59:40,299 --> 00:59:37,250
those who have ventured forth on

1108
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:40,309
Halloween and you think you hear a thump

1109
00:59:46,299 --> 00:59:42,170
or a bump that you haven't heard before

1110
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:46,309
and you're wondering what it may be it's

1111
00:59:53,980 --> 00:59:50,329
probably best not to curse it or

1112
00:59:58,539 --> 00:59:53,990
insulted but to maybe just have an

1113
01:00:03,329 --> 00:59:58,549
attitude of of welcome or okay you have

1114
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:03,339
your world I have mine we live in peace

1115
01:00:10,359 --> 01:00:07,599
and yeah I guess it is a creepy strange

1116
01:00:15,370 --> 01:00:10,369
scary wonderful beautiful world out

1117
01:00:17,890 --> 01:00:15,380
there yeah man well this has just been

1118
01:00:21,460 --> 01:00:17,900
so much fun I love it before we go do

1119
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:21,470
remind people about the wide range the

1120
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:23,450
wide plethora of stuff you've got out

1121
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:25,150
there and where they can go to get it

1122
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:31,210
well the best-laid of course is Amazon

1123
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:35,290
or Barnes and Noble or one of our

1124
01:00:42,010 --> 01:00:39,680
marvelous mail-order stores which exist

1125
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:42,020
now hopefully it's in your local

1126
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:44,809
bookstore but if not that's the place to

1127
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:49,220
get the books we had present do not have

1128
01:00:55,809 --> 01:00:54,290
a website because some sherry and I like

1129
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:55,819
to think that we're loved and

1130
01:01:00,540 --> 01:00:58,640
universally revered but someone didn't

1131
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:00,550
think so and there

1132
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:03,970
took our website down and somehow

1133
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:06,610
managed to destroy it so she's working

1134
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,250
on a new one and that will be up soon

1135
01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:12,400
but we have nothing now regretfully but

1136
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:15,340
you can also contact us we like to hear

1137
01:01:26,330 --> 01:01:20,230
from people directly at Brad and sherry

1138
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:26,340
as they gr ry Steiger is bei ger at

1139
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:31,870
gmail.com and we wish everyone a very

1140
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,050
spooky and fake Halloween very cool

1141
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:40,240
well you are a legend in the field my

1142
01:01:43,710 --> 01:01:41,830
man and I'm so glad we could do this

1143
01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:43,720
it's really interesting just to hear

1144
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:46,030
your thoughts and reflections on a long

1145
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:49,510
career and a deep interest in this weird

1146
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:52,000
rabbit hole and I just loved it thanks

1147
01:01:56,970 --> 01:01:53,410
again and take care of yourself out

1148
01:01:59,370 --> 01:01:56,980
there well I enjoyed myself it was a

1149
01:02:02,600 --> 01:01:59,380
pleasure to be with you Greg again take

1150
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:02,610
care sure thing thanks so much

1151
01:02:08,310 --> 01:02:05,680
hocus-pocus and hallelujah people I hope

1152
01:02:10,350 --> 01:02:08,320
you enjoyed that ride like I said Brad

1153
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:10,360
Steiger is just a guy I've been familiar

1154
01:02:14,790 --> 01:02:12,280
with in the scene for a long long time

1155
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:14,800
and I do occasionally seek out guests

1156
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:16,990
that our sort of fanboy fodder from my

1157
01:02:22,020 --> 01:02:20,080
youth guilty the problem is that a lot

1158
01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:22,030
of the time these older guys are really

1159
01:02:26,130 --> 01:02:23,800
stuck in their ways with a particular

1160
01:02:28,620 --> 01:02:26,140
perspective you see it all the time and

1161
01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:28,630
so if I'm gonna reminisce and re-examine

1162
01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:30,280
some of the conspiratorial glory days

1163
01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:32,320
Brad is the perfect dude for that

1164
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,630
because I love his no Dogma approach I

1165
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:36,880
also think we go also over the value of

1166
01:02:41,580 --> 01:02:38,650
a life that's just been around for 80

1167
01:02:43,290 --> 01:02:41,590
plus years sometimes also I know that

1168
01:02:46,530 --> 01:02:43,300
some people probably aren't a fan of the

1169
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:46,540
classic landline phone call quality but

1170
01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:48,400
for years and years that's all we had

1171
01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:51,160
and today that's what we get you know my

1172
01:02:55,350 --> 01:02:53,020
original plan was just a run through the

1173
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:55,360
stories and his collections but we could

1174
01:03:00,000 --> 01:02:57,040
really do that with a lot of guests and

1175
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:00,010
not everybody was around in 1947 not

1176
01:03:04,140 --> 01:03:02,170
everybody sat down with Ray Palmer

1177
01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:04,150
personally and not everybody married an

1178
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:07,300
assistant of J Allen Hynek so I switched

1179
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:09,450
gears and really just asked him more

1180
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:11,920
biographical anecdotal questions for the

1181
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:14,280
general conspirator man are

1182
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:17,010
because to have seen Roswell and the

1183
01:03:20,990 --> 01:03:19,020
first reality show president or just

1184
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:21,000
fill in the blank with any recent aspect

1185
01:03:27,290 --> 01:03:23,910
of life and I just think men you nailed

1186
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:27,300
it get in when the events of 1947 are

1187
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:29,400
some of your earliest memories come of

1188
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,470
age in the 60s stick around to see the

1189
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:33,660
internet 911 just get a whiff of the

1190
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:35,010
collapse and then get out before

1191
01:03:39,980 --> 01:03:37,110
everything falls apart that is how you

1192
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,990
pick a lifetime people I think about

1193
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:41,520
that it's hard to know if I picked it

1194
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:43,710
right yet because yeah I caused myself

1195
01:03:48,020 --> 01:03:45,780
just enough personal hell with a decade

1196
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,030
of grueling retail at paycheck two

1197
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,880
nerve-racking paycheck wages and then

1198
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,980
found podcasting just as it was really

1199
01:03:57,020 --> 01:03:55,200
becoming feasible but we'll have to see

1200
01:03:58,730 --> 01:03:57,030
how the next few decades unfold maybe

1201
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,740
someone will be interviewing me at 80

1202
01:04:02,090 --> 01:04:00,240
because they can't believe I actually

1203
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:02,100
remember a time when phones were still

1204
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:04,290
attached to the wall but I also lived

1205
01:04:07,690 --> 01:04:05,520
long enough to see the majority of

1206
01:04:10,790 --> 01:04:07,700
humanity make the transition to cyborg

1207
01:04:12,590 --> 01:04:10,800
we just don't know and another thing is

1208
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:12,600
that I never ever really go for these

1209
01:04:16,610 --> 01:04:15,180
shows on ghosts in a classic scary

1210
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:16,620
paranormal sort of sense

1211
01:04:21,590 --> 01:04:19,140
I just think too many shitty ghost

1212
01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:21,600
hunter shows ruined that for me I also

1213
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:23,430
think they interpret the experiences

1214
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:25,530
through just an overly simplified lens

1215
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:27,990
these are not all lost or tortured souls

1216
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:30,330
of dead people either way though I

1217
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:32,850
thought it was a fun show overall maybe

1218
01:04:36,170 --> 01:04:34,890
not super Halloween themed we got into

1219
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:36,180
that Inner Earth we got into those

1220
01:04:40,370 --> 01:04:37,740
underground realms you know I love that

1221
01:04:42,050 --> 01:04:40,380
and of course I don't always plan

1222
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:42,060
episodes out to line up with

1223
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:44,010
conventional holidays but sometimes it

1224
01:04:46,940 --> 01:04:45,390
happens earlier in the year I just

1225
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,950
happen to do an interview with Freddy

1226
01:04:51,140 --> 01:04:48,960
Silva on the lost art of resurrection

1227
01:04:53,180 --> 01:04:51,150
just as Easter was coming around so that

1228
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:53,190
synced up pretty nicely on its own and

1229
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:55,890
then you have situations like 9/11 where

1230
01:04:59,210 --> 01:04:57,450
this year I just happen to put out the

1231
01:05:02,540 --> 01:04:59,220
lawn strickler's show about the Chicago

1232
01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:02,550
owl man sightings on 9/11 and I got a

1233
01:05:06,140 --> 01:05:04,320
decent amount of heat for putting out

1234
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:06,150
something like that on such an important

1235
01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:08,460
day but you know I had Judy wood on in

1236
01:05:11,780 --> 01:05:09,990
the middle of the year so what are you

1237
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:11,790
gonna do do you really need to be

1238
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:14,520
reminded of 9/11 every year but

1239
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:16,710
Halloween just happens to be one of

1240
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:18,450
those holidays where it does dawn on me

1241
01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:20,970
to try to do something somewhat scary as

1242
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:22,560
we're coming up to it last year we had

1243
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:24,150
David Matheson on to really talk about

1244
01:05:27,500 --> 01:05:26,730
his work on the Stars but also he

1245
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:27,510
dedicated a

1246
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:29,310
portion of the show two ghosts at West

1247
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:32,310
Point where he went and the focus went a

1248
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:34,110
different direction today but I really

1249
01:05:38,030 --> 01:05:36,030
liked it we got into ghosts out-of-body

1250
01:05:40,130 --> 01:05:38,040
experience communication with geometric

1251
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,140
shapes and the astral planes and UFOs

1252
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:41,760
just in the first 20 minutes

1253
01:05:46,820 --> 01:05:44,370
but I did mention at the end of the last

1254
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:46,830
episode with Peter Mark Adams great show

1255
01:05:51,530 --> 01:05:49,050
that I had a Halloween story to tell you

1256
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,540
and it's not really my story it was told

1257
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,280
to me by a friend about a girl who was

1258
01:05:57,050 --> 01:05:54,960
in one of the younger grades in my high

1259
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:57,060
school or one of my high schools the one

1260
01:05:59,920 --> 01:05:57,930
that kicked me out

1261
01:06:02,990 --> 01:05:59,930
st. Pius the tenth and Festus Missouri

1262
01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:03,000
anyway so this girl was doing the

1263
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:05,100
classic babysitting thing she was at a

1264
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:07,920
house watching two kids around two and

1265
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:10,170
four years of age and as the night went

1266
01:06:13,850 --> 01:06:12,150
on the kids were put to bed and she was

1267
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:13,860
sitting on the bed of the parents room

1268
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,010
just watching TV killing time and she

1269
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:19,200
sees this weird life-sized clown

1270
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:21,390
mannequin dolphin in the corner of the

1271
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,190
room and it's just eerie right it's not

1272
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:25,680
her house she's alone at night so it

1273
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:27,330
keeps drawing her attention she keeps

1274
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:30,570
looking at it and eventually she swears

1275
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:32,850
that it blinks and so now she's really

1276
01:06:36,290 --> 01:06:34,380
weirded out and she wants to put like a

1277
01:06:38,300 --> 01:06:36,300
blanket over it or move it into the

1278
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:38,310
closet but you also don't want to damage

1279
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:39,720
something that might be a family

1280
01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:41,850
heirloom or just important to the family

1281
01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:44,760
in some regard so she calls the mom and

1282
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:47,190
she just says hey everything's fine but

1283
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:48,690
I'm just a little freaked out by that

1284
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:50,490
clown statue you have in the room could

1285
01:06:56,030 --> 01:06:52,530
I maybe move it or put something over it

1286
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:56,040
perhaps and the mom says close the door

1287
01:07:00,740 --> 01:06:58,530
get the kids out of the house and call

1288
01:07:02,660 --> 01:07:00,750
the police because we have nothing that

1289
01:07:06,350 --> 01:07:02,670
fits that description in our room or in

1290
01:07:08,270 --> 01:07:06,360
our house or anywhere so this is where

1291
01:07:10,220 --> 01:07:08,280
we start to get the chills right but the

1292
01:07:11,780 --> 01:07:10,230
girl does just that she quickly shuts

1293
01:07:14,210 --> 01:07:11,790
the bedroom door with the clown doll

1294
01:07:15,500 --> 01:07:14,220
inside she grabs the kids and she gets

1295
01:07:18,950 --> 01:07:15,510
out of the house and when the police

1296
01:07:21,650 --> 01:07:18,960
arrive they go in and the clown is gone

1297
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:21,660
but the window is open and they find a

1298
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,610
guy dressed as a clown running through

1299
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:25,200
the woods and he says please don't

1300
01:07:29,810 --> 01:07:26,940
arrest me I wasn't gonna hurt anybody I

1301
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:29,820
just like to watch and so this was an

1302
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:32,970
adult man dressed as a clown sitting in

1303
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:35,220
the corner of a room just staring

1304
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:37,770
lifelessly at this babysitter for who

1305
01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:41,010
knows how long too long that's for sure

1306
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:42,630
and the icing on the cake is that the

1307
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:44,580
older kid that she was watching had

1308
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,890
actually been telling his parents about

1309
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:48,630
his new clown friend that he met

1310
01:07:53,150 --> 01:07:50,550
recently and they just thought it was

1311
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,160
his imagination or something but that's

1312
01:07:58,880 --> 01:07:55,680
the story people one of the creepiest

1313
01:08:01,010 --> 01:07:58,890
stories I know so enjoy the rest of the

1314
01:08:03,290 --> 01:08:01,020
day also remember that the higher side

1315
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:03,300
chats and tinfoil hat are doing another

1316
01:08:08,060 --> 01:08:05,250
night of conspiratorial comedy and

1317
01:08:10,010 --> 01:08:08,070
podcasting also people have been asking

1318
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:10,020
me if they can sign up for THC Plus

1319
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:12,810
through patreon and I hemmed and hawed

1320
01:08:17,180 --> 01:08:15,510
but now you can I'm always going to urge

1321
01:08:19,249 --> 01:08:17,190
people to sign up through my system

1322
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:19,259
first because there's always the chance

1323
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:21,210
that one day patreon will say we don't

1324
01:08:25,519 --> 01:08:22,980
like what you're covering so we can't

1325
01:08:27,470 --> 01:08:25,529
have you on our platform but I know it's

1326
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:27,480
a popular system and it is pretty clean

1327
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:29,910
and simple so I get why people like it

1328
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:32,370
and the higher side chats plus is now on

1329
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:35,100
patreon you get the full archive there

1330
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:37,770
as well everything you get traditionally

1331
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:40,410
you will have to email me for a forum

1332
01:08:47,289 --> 01:08:43,650
login but that's a small thing so sign

1333
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:47,299
up if you're into the patreon system

1334
01:08:54,710 --> 01:08:50,850
already we got $26 coming in monthly so

1335
01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:54,720
far so big deal this patreon thing also

1336
01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:56,609
I'm putting out a call to see if the

1337
01:09:00,800 --> 01:08:58,380
higher side chats has any listeners out

1338
01:09:02,329 --> 01:09:00,810
there that are skilled in animation I'm

1339
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:02,339
not looking for free work I know

1340
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:04,410
animation is tedious and generally

1341
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:07,259
pretty expensive but I'm hoping maybe we

1342
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,390
can work out a little bit better of a

1343
01:09:13,670 --> 01:09:11,279
deal than just hiring some random

1344
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:13,680
freelancer but I'd like to get some

1345
01:09:17,480 --> 01:09:15,750
highlight clips animated to promote the

1346
01:09:19,579 --> 01:09:17,490
full-length episodes maybe just take

1347
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,589
some of the best stories or responses

1348
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:21,839
like 5 minutes or 10 minutes

1349
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,640
animate them and throw them out on

1350
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,440
YouTube I think that would be pretty

1351
01:09:29,769 --> 01:09:27,600
awesome there's some pretty epic things

1352
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:29,779
talked about and people would be drawing

1353
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:33,060
multi dimensional entities UFOs the

1354
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:35,400
Demiurge himself all kinds of crazy

1355
01:09:40,099 --> 01:09:36,930
stuff I just think it would be a good

1356
01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:40,109
fun project you see a lot of podcasts

1357
01:09:44,329 --> 01:09:41,580
doing this now but it's always just

1358
01:09:46,099 --> 01:09:44,339
animated clips of the hosts and guests

1359
01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:46,109
sitting by the microphones and that's

1360
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:48,779
not what we're looking for just an idea

1361
01:09:51,950 --> 01:09:50,490
but I thought I'd put out the call to

1362
01:09:53,780 --> 01:09:51,960
the audience if there's someone out

1363
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:53,790
there just email me the higher side

1364
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:54,840
chats at Gmail

1365
01:09:59,149 --> 01:09:57,090
calm and really if you think you have

1366
01:10:02,120 --> 01:09:59,159
any skill that might work for some type

1367
01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:02,130
of collaboration get at me I'm thinking

1368
01:10:06,290 --> 01:10:04,830
of redoing the intro theme song but I

1369
01:10:08,270 --> 01:10:06,300
just don't know exactly what to do I

1370
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:08,280
kind of want to do it yearly every year

1371
01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:09,510
would be a different one and that would

1372
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,179
kind of be a subtle reminder to how old

1373
01:10:16,209 --> 01:10:14,460
a particular episode is just something

1374
01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:16,219
I'm kicking around but I also thought

1375
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,630
instead of having to dedicate so much

1376
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:21,360
time to that project in like the musical

1377
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:23,520
direction and helping someone create

1378
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:25,050
something that I like and they like that

1379
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:27,750
I think fits for the show I think it'd

1380
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:29,369
be kind of cool if artists just took it

1381
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:33,090
upon themselves to cover the THC intro

1382
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,420
song just use the same lyrics and make

1383
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:38,159
your own version that could be kind of

1384
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:39,540
cool to play a different one all the

1385
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:42,300
time or the words stay the same I'm just

1386
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:44,280
kind of rambling now but you know if you

1387
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:46,830
want the higher side chats plus and you

1388
01:10:52,129 --> 01:10:49,770
can't afford it I do have the THC street

1389
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:52,139
team so you could just post new episodes

1390
01:10:56,899 --> 01:10:54,570
on forums or wherever and exchange for

1391
01:10:59,240 --> 01:10:56,909
plus I'd also love to see higher side

1392
01:11:00,740 --> 01:10:59,250
memes out there or people taking quotes

1393
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:00,750
from the show and slapping them on a

1394
01:11:04,339 --> 01:11:02,790
picture that's relevant if you want to

1395
01:11:07,129 --> 01:11:04,349
work out a deal to do that instead of

1396
01:11:08,750 --> 01:11:07,139
pay for plus I'm open I do feel like

1397
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:08,760
we're at a point where we need to throw

1398
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:10,170
a little more gas on the higher side

1399
01:11:16,220 --> 01:11:13,130
fire which is really my job not yours

1400
01:11:18,260 --> 01:11:16,230
but if you can help and are willing I

1401
01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:18,270
don't ask this kind of thing often it's

1402
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:20,340
my show it's my business and I try to

1403
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:22,830
take care of everything myself but a

1404
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:24,840
little push would be nice the more we

1405
01:11:28,129 --> 01:11:26,760
grow the better guests I can bring on

1406
01:11:29,780 --> 01:11:28,139
for you that's kind of the reason I'm

1407
01:11:32,089 --> 01:11:29,790
doing this is there some areas where I

1408
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:32,099
can't get these guests forget the money

1409
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:34,409
some of these researchers just don't

1410
01:11:39,379 --> 01:11:37,050
know about THC or they think the name is

1411
01:11:41,330 --> 01:11:39,389
silly that happens they are familiar

1412
01:11:43,609 --> 01:11:41,340
with coast to coast or they know Jimmy

1413
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:43,619
Church and they just don't see the need

1414
01:11:48,530 --> 01:11:46,320
to do other interviews we got to change

1415
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:48,540
that perception in some cases so tell

1416
01:11:51,859 --> 01:11:50,340
your favorite researchers this is where

1417
01:11:54,919 --> 01:11:51,869
they will have the best showing because

1418
01:11:56,839 --> 01:11:54,929
it's true no commercial breaks very

1419
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,849
lengthy I let my guests talk

1420
01:12:01,100 --> 01:11:59,040
nobody edits like we edit nobody sets a

1421
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:01,110
guy up with an intro like we set them up

1422
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:03,960
it's in their best interest so let's

1423
01:12:07,180 --> 01:12:05,219
make them an offer they can't refuse

1424
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:07,190
right isn't that the way it's done

1425
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:08,850
anyway as with

1426
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:10,980
episode there's an extra hour today for

1427
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:14,130
paid subscribers of Plus and with Brad

1428
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:15,720
in this episode we got into ancient

1429
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:18,410
megaliths and ancient aliens also how

1430
01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:21,210
suspiciously popular that program is at

1431
01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:22,680
least that was my point I was trying to

1432
01:12:27,410 --> 01:12:24,870
make that it seems like a vehicle for

1433
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,420
indoctrination more than anything I used

1434
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:28,800
to love it but because it's now

1435
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:30,690
dominated History Channel and it's

1436
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:32,670
really broadcast to its fullest extent

1437
01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:35,090
it becomes a chicken and the egg thing

1438
01:12:39,620 --> 01:12:37,680
did they really just play it more often

1439
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:39,630
because it did sort of go viral in a

1440
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,210
sense and money is money so screw it or

1441
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,640
is it a worldview that they want us to

1442
01:12:49,670 --> 01:12:47,520
have after that show with Chris Knowles

1443
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:49,680
and all the talk about the babylonian

1444
01:12:54,170 --> 01:12:52,080
cult behind the curtain I feel more

1445
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:54,180
suspicious of it than I used to it's all

1446
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:56,760
about Sumerian stuff and Zecharia

1447
01:13:01,850 --> 01:12:59,400
Sitchin's interpretation I'm not sure

1448
01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:01,860
even if I love the idea of genetically

1449
01:13:06,820 --> 01:13:04,020
created humans by our space brother

1450
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:06,830
visitors you got to look at these things

1451
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:08,970
anyway we also talked about Brad's

1452
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,430
thoughts on the Nazis Tibet and those

1453
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:13,500
Inner Earth stories how the Hollow Earth

1454
01:13:18,710 --> 01:13:15,570
and channeling actually affected world

1455
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:18,720
war 2 we got into Brad's friend the son

1456
01:13:24,170 --> 01:13:21,300
of an American Nazi expat and his alien

1457
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:24,180
context that's the kind of anecdote you

1458
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:25,830
know I'm looking for talking to a guy

1459
01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:28,860
who's in his eighties and what else we

1460
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:31,590
also let Brad reflect on the common

1461
01:13:35,780 --> 01:13:33,420
themes among the reports he's gotten

1462
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:35,790
over the decades and we talked about why

1463
01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:38,610
the polarization and divisiveness of our

1464
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:41,100
age is more worrisome to Brad than

1465
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:44,310
previous decades just why the flavor is

1466
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,400
a little bit different so as always good

1467
01:13:51,650 --> 01:13:49,440
times all around join the club and get

1468
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:51,660
more of the show you love so much the

1469
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:54,060
higher side chats plus calm or search

1470
01:13:59,240 --> 01:13:57,570
for us on patreon I think October's been

1471
01:14:00,650 --> 01:13:59,250
a pretty solid month we had all a

1472
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,660
demagogue talking about the Vegas

1473
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,360
shooting Susan Clark talking about 5g

1474
01:14:07,970 --> 01:14:05,760
Chris Knowles and Peter Mark Adams two

1475
01:14:10,940 --> 01:14:07,980
of my favorite shows in a long time I

1476
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,950
hope you're happy and I'm getting out of

1477
01:14:14,780 --> 01:14:12,420
here your move alien invaders

1478
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:14,790
underground entities clown doll men and

1479
01:14:22,140 --> 01:14:17,570
trapezoids of the astral plane

1480
01:14:32,180 --> 01:14:27,300
woke up this morning with light in my

1481
01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:32,190
eyes and then realized it was dark

1482
01:14:50,699 --> 01:14:42,540
it was like coming down from the sky

1483
01:15:00,299 --> 01:14:54,969
must be those stranger is that come

1484
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:00,309
every night whose saucer-shaped alight

1485
01:15:10,419 --> 01:15:07,010
but people obtain the blue-green

1486
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:10,429
footprint where's my love away in the

1487
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:16,090
dark I hope you make it home

1488
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:28,069
mr. spaceman won't you please take me

1489
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:29,170
along

1490
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:37,360
I won't do anything wrong hey mr.

1491
01:15:47,300 --> 01:15:43,030
spaceman won't you please take me along

1492
01:15:53,060 --> 01:15:49,060
[Music]

1493
01:16:00,290 --> 01:15:58,070
quite weird I had it slides in my beer

1494
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:00,300
my tooth pain

1495
01:16:10,820 --> 01:16:04,170
[Music]

1496
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:10,830
open my window wait written my name so

1497
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:14,040
long we'll see you

1498
01:16:36,730 --> 01:16:26,350
won't you please take me

1499
01:16:38,069 --> 01:16:36,740
I won't do anything wrong mr. spaceman

1500
01:16:51,759 --> 01:16:38,079
[Music]

1501
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:51,769
this face man

1502
01:17:10,009 --> 01:16:57,179
or - please take me home

1503
01:17:13,790 --> 01:17:10,019
do anything why don't you please take me

1504
01:17:17,629 --> 01:17:13,800
along the high side

1505
01:17:17,639 --> 01:17:26,330
take me along the high